By Stewart Crew
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November 19, 2024
Yesterday, the Senate Judiciary Committee held a hearing entitled “Big Hacks & Big Tech: China’s Cybersecurity Threat” that underscored the risks to American security directly caused by Big Tech’s cozy relationship with China. Tech Integrity Project lauds the Committee for creating a bipartisan venue to examine this important issue. Below are some highlights: There is bipartisan recognition that American Big Tech Companies are sacrificing American security for profit. Senator Richard Blumenthal: “Even as Chinese companies undermine our national security, American ones often do the same. China has used economic coercion to enlist American companies for its own agenda. And we have given them a free pass far too often. Companies like Apple have acted as partners of the Chinese government to censor ideas and information in China. They blocked independent media, and they've helped the CCP crackdown on dissent, human rights and democratic values. But also our national and economic security are at stake as a result of China's leverage, its economic leverage, and these conflicts of interest involving American companies.” Senator Josh Hawley: “We face with China, a peer competitor of a kind that we frankly haven't seen in any of our lifetimes. And I hope it's also a wakeup call for these American corporations that, for too long, had been willing to sell out American jobs and America’s security interest in order to make a quick buck and, in so doing, have threatened all of us.” Big Tech is invested in and dependent on China . Big Tech is reliant on China for manufacturing and sales. Senators asked what risks this creates for America. Senator Josh Hawley: “Mr. Stone Fish, let me come to you and pick up a line of questioning that I was starting to discuss with Mr. Bresnick. Here, we’ve got these companies, Apple, Amazon, Microsoft, Tesla, hugely, hugely invested in China and hugely dependent on China. And it would be one thing if they were run-of-the-mill, no-name companies. But Apple, and Amazon, Microsoft, these are arguably—each of those three are—monopoly size companies that have significant control of vast sections of our consumer economy. So I guess my question is, how concerned should we be that 80% of Apple suppliers have a base in China, 95% of Apple’s key consumer products are manufactured in China, a third of Amazon’s suppliers are in China … Microsoft’s-China based research lab produces 10% of the company’s research output? Those are massive numbers. Should we be concerned about this? Or is this not relevant? I mean, are we panicking unnecessarily?” Isaac Stone Fish: “Thank you for bringing these issues up. I think this is incredibly important. And I think there’s this perception in DC that, ‘oh, everyone’s talking about China.’ We’re talking about it too much. I don’t think we’re talking about this nearly enough. I am really appreciative that you brought up the potential for a Chinese invasion of Taiwan and a war with Taiwan. It’s our very strong belief that the businesses you mentioned have constantly underpriced the risk of a Chinese invasion of Taiwan, and they’ve long underpriced the risk of their very heavy China exposure. There’s massive national security implications of the figures that you just described. And I think US government agencies need to be really aware of the various different interests and influences inside these corporations. You know, we’re in an era of shareholder capitalism. And if it’s in Apple’s best financial interest to double down on China, where does that leave us? And where does it leave Apple consumers who’s using an Apple laptop right here, but also the US government? I think this is especially the case with Microsoft and the US government’s relationship with Microsoft. And understanding that the depth of Microsoft’s entanglement with China and with the Chinese Communist Party poses very real supply chain and security risks. And these are things that big US companies absolutely need to disclose.” *** Senator Richard Blumenthal: “Apple complies with China's censorship and surveillance demands, because 20% of its sales, and 80% of its suppliers are based in China. When forced to choose between American security and hugely profitable access to the Chinese market, Americans may doubt that SpaceX, Mr. Musk, Tim Cook, and other technology leaders will side with America.” *** Senator Richard Blumenthal: “Do you think it's more the practical difficulty of relocating the supply provider? Or is it as Mr. Stone Fish suggested the fear of reprisals? You understand the question? In other words, Is it the logistical difficulty of moving a supplier or a source of supply out of China? Or is it the fear that there will be some kind of revenge from the Chinese government?” Sam Bresnick: “I think you could credibly argue it's both. I think it's very hard to logistically do this. And you see companies like Apple, for example, which has made an effort to make more of its iPhones in India, generally through Foxconn, a Taiwanese electronics manufacturing company, at the same time they're doing that, Tim Cook is going to China, and he's announcing new investments in China. So I think these things go hand-in-hand. There's a desire to stay in the good graces of the Chinese Communist Party, and there's a desire to actually make moves to reduce exposure.” ### Tech Integrity Project is dedicated to ending this collusion. Tech Integrity Project works to protect the national security and economic competitiveness of the United States by preventing Big Tech companies from aiding America’s adversaries. The organization works to educate policymakers and the public about the problematic business activities of U.S. tech companies in China and other adversarial nations, including capital investment, overseas research, transfer of trade secrets, and selling access to sensitive technologies.